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PostSubject: Re: Mafia 2016   Thu Mar 10, 2016 8:08 pm

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(Unless more people have the sudden urge to play another, which I'unno, I'd actually be up for another game but you know).

I was gonna suggest starting another game after this (maybe not immediately, we can still decide that). If finding someone to mod is the problem I could mod a Dethwing Classic, probably better than trying to make up my own setup cus I'm all noobish and shit.

Melexx, I don't think the amount of power-roles is unreasonable. Where it stems from is that 2/7 (or 2/8 as the game was originally intended IIRC) is incredibly scum-favored, and it takes a good bit of power-roles to balance that out. We also don't have that many powerful power-roles. Assuming Manlove isn't scum, 1-shot BP isn't that powerful, Voyeur isn't a particularily powerful power-role especially with the modifier, VT is essentially another Innocent Child in this setup but that's not all that powerful either. The only really powerful power-roles here are our two doctors.

I'm pretty sure TSR just brainfarted. Even a stupid scum wouldn't actually attempt to do that. Not to mention that Melexx has pretty much cleared him anyway (unless you can somehow explain that away, in which case I'm all ears).

Anyway:

Congrats Melexx, you either just lost yourself the game if you're scum, or secured our victory if you're town. Eitherways town wins now.

Why? Because we've narrowed it down to Manlove or Melexx (again assuming Atlas can't come up with a way to put TSR back on the table), and we don't even have to figure out which one's scum. We can just lynch one at random, then have the last 2 remaining townies lynch the other if we miss.

For roleplay reasons we should still try to figure out who is scum. As I've said Melexx could be scum royally fucking up and accidentally losing himself the game by lying wrong. While possible, that's a lot less likely than Manlove being scum without fucking up royally.

I wanna hear from Manlove first (and Atlas's Magnum Opus Vol. 2), if neither of those changes my mind I propose we lynch Manlove, then lynch Melexx tomorrow if Manlove flips town.
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PostSubject: Re: Mafia 2016   Thu Mar 10, 2016 9:16 pm

Well, gonna have to apologise to you, TSR, I was sure you were scum but with this new info there isn't really any logical way left that you could be.

With the info of last night I guess we can conclude that either 1) melexiious is scum technically confessing his crime through the guise of voyeur, or 2) melex is accurately reading a night-kill attempt on Tea from either myself or (somehow someway) Atlas.
Unless there's something we're overlooking that could cause this info to point to TSR, which as of right now requires assuming that a townie is lying to us all for the sake of it, He's pretty much confirmed as doctor.

As for Atlas, is there absolutely any possible way he can be unconfirmed as vanilla town? I mean if he was scum that would obviously invalidate Mod's confirmation at the beginning of the game, since no one else stepped forward as vanilla town. So the only way I can figure that Atlas could be scum is if Mod is playing some sick game and no one was ever vanilla to begin with, so someone go re-analyse his post for loopholes or something.

Anyway, assuming that no workarounds are found for TSR's and Atlas' alibis, that narrows down the possible suspects to Melexiious and (unfortunately) me. So might as well get this out of the way:

Vote: Melexiious

So taking into account all the things that have happened this game, the two options narrow down to whether you believe that me arguing with, counterclaiming, and constantly trying to call out and lynch 1337ness is a more believable scum theory, or if Melexiious playing it safe and passive letting 1337ness work the crowd, coming up with a creative false role to throw suspicion, and bandwagoning onto 1337ness' lynching is a more believable scum story.

In my own defense, I believe that looking at my actions objectively, berating 1337ness, attempting to reveal his strategies and generally antagonise him would be a stupid move for scum, and that while a smart scum would still feign suspicion and opposition to his scum buddy to try and clear himself of suspicion and bandwagoning when there's no way of saving their buddy, they would at least try and be helpful towards their partner, rather than calling them out through the whole game.

Though really, as Tea mentioned, no matter which of us you lynch today, victory is definitely assured by tomorrow (assuming none of you other 3's alibis are somehow faulty in some way I'm not seeing, in which case kudos for playing us like the fiddles we are). As much as I'd like to see this game through to the end alive it really doesn't matter either way, so use your own discretion.

Also:

Melexiious wrote:
(Unless more people have the sudden urge to play another, which I'unno, I'd actually be up for another game but you know).

I'm in full support of another game, this has been good fun.
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PostSubject: Re: Mafia 2016   Thu Mar 10, 2016 9:52 pm

Also just a small aside, has the number of pages in this thread shrunk for anyone else? For me it says this is page 12 but i could've sworn we were up to like 17 or so, might just be a glitch on my end or something.
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PostSubject: Re: Mafia 2016   Thu Mar 10, 2016 10:16 pm

Captain Manlove wrote:
Also just a small aside, has the number of pages in this thread shrunk for anyone else? For me it says this is page 12 but i could've sworn  we were up to like 17 or so, might just be a glitch on my end or something.

Same here, I suspect someone increased the number of posts per page in the forum settings.
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PostSubject: Re: Mafia 2016   Thu Mar 10, 2016 11:52 pm

I'll make this short... not because I want to but because I'm too lazy to type a lot right now:

Mod's first post is about as clear as it gets. The only person he's trolled this game was 1337ness, whom he trolled by making me Innocent Child. (Actually, I'm gonna have him say it again just for shits.) There's definitely 1 Vanilla Townie in this game, and that's Atlas.

There's no possible mafia power role that could influence Melexx's result, I checked the wiki. I was thinking of the Framer, but that only works against Cops and is explicitly non-normal. There's no way Melexx is lying either, at least unless he's scum. As much as I'd like there to be, I don't see any way for TSR to not be town at this point.

This brings us down to Melexx vs Manlove, which really doesn't matter cus we win anyway but we might aswell discuss it. Melexx and Manlove can't contribute much in this case, I suggest they just vote for each other, then me, TSR, and Atlas discuss which one of them to throw off a cliff.
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PostSubject: Re: Mafia 2016   Fri Mar 11, 2016 12:09 am

VOTE: MANLOVE

Seems reasonable enough.

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PostSubject: Re: Mafia 2016   Fri Mar 11, 2016 4:45 pm

Totally off-topic: Apparently the forum has some thing called VigLink when I'm not logged in (that or my Chromium has a virus), and it links every mention of Manlove's name to this.
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PostSubject: Re: Mafia 2016   Fri Mar 11, 2016 5:48 pm

Iced_Tea wrote:
Totally off-topic: Apparently the forum has some thing called VigLink when I'm not logged in (that or my Chromium has a virus), and it links every mention of Manlove's name to this.

You're not the only person who has been getting it. Orandulum had something similar, with four ad images. He then arranged the four images into "loss"
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PostSubject: Re: Mafia 2016   Fri Mar 11, 2016 6:01 pm

Yeah, this is free forum hosting, so they need to get money from people somehow.

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PostSubject: Re: Mafia 2016   Fri Mar 11, 2016 6:17 pm

So you're telling me we're being provided stuff to make fun of for free AND it finances the forum? That's pretty win-win if you ask me.

Also TSR, since you're here can you comment on Manlove vs Melex? Unless you already have. I'm too lazy to go back a page ATM.
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PostSubject: Re: Mafia 2016   Fri Mar 11, 2016 8:43 pm

Confirming that Iced_Tea has not changed alignment.

Vote Count 4.1

Captain Manlove (1) - Melexiious L-2!
Melexiious (1) - Captain Manlove L-2!

Not Voting: Cracked Atlas, Iced_Tea, Tunnel Snakes Rule

With 5 alive it takes 3 to lynch!

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PostSubject: Re: Mafia 2016   Sat Mar 12, 2016 12:20 am

Do Atlas/TSR you have anything to add thus far? Atlas said he had another post coming up.

I really don't wanna end up going to deadline again.
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PostSubject: Re: Mafia 2016   Sat Mar 12, 2016 4:16 am

I honestly don't have anything to add. They both seem to be about as scummy as each other so I'll wait and see what Atlas thinks before weighing in.
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PostSubject: Re: Mafia 2016   Sun Mar 13, 2016 4:41 pm

Prodding Cracked Now.

69 hours until deadline. (hehe)
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PostSubject: Re: Mafia 2016   Sun Mar 13, 2016 6:59 pm

Cracked you're such a gigantic tit they had to invent a new cup-size just for you!
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PostSubject: Re: Mafia 2016   Mon Mar 14, 2016 4:07 am

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Cracked you're such a gigantic tit they had to invent a new cup-size just for you!

Leaked picture of Cracked Atlas
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PostSubject: Re: Mafia 2016   Mon Mar 14, 2016 4:29 am

So, I'm just really bad at posting when I'm at my Dad's. I keep getting distracted by TV shows and video games.

Town /have/ won, though. It really is just a matter of playing it through. Now I could go and reread through the thread, paying careful attention to Manlove and Melex to try and figure out which one is scum, which I am conflicted on at the moment, or we could just get this over with.

Hang on a minute. Just before, Melex, you said you saw scum try and kill Tea. Shouldn't you have seen both an attempted kill, and a protect?

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PostSubject: Re: Mafia 2016   Mon Mar 14, 2016 4:38 am

Actually, shit, if were taking TSR as telling the truth, then he protected Manlove N2. Since there was no kill N2, that would make him look pretty damn town.

On top of that, and I don't put too much stock in this argument, but I'm gonna put it out there anyway, Melex said he received 'No Result' on his Day 1 and 2 investigations. According to the wiki, a Voyeur should only receive a 'No Result' if they're roleblocked. Now, either a Mafia Roleblocker hit him twice, or he misread the wiki page after being given a fake role by 1337ness to claim.

Claiming town-sided ascetic as scum is actually really clever, means no one wil try and investigate you.

And response to this, Melex?

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PostSubject: Re: Mafia 2016   Mon Mar 14, 2016 5:04 am

Cracked Atlas wrote:
I keep getting distracted by TV shows and video games.

Me_irl

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Actually, shit, if were taking TSR as telling the truth, then he protected Manlove N2. Since there was no kill N2, that would make him look pretty damn town.

I think it's pretty well established that N2 was a no-kill. 1337ness was obviously planning to get me killed in massclaim, then use the info to close out the game.

Additionally, Manlove would've been a horrible target for scum, as that would've taken suspicion off me, and any halfway decent scum would've done everything to keep it on me in that situation.

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On top of that, and I don't put too much stock in this argument, but I'm gonna put it out there anyway, Melex said he received 'No Result' on his Day 1 and 2 investigations. According to the wiki, a Voyeur should only receive a 'No Result' if they're roleblocked. Now, either a Mafia Roleblocker hit him twice, or he misread the wiki page after being given a fake role by 1337ness to claim.

I've brought up this same argument before, and much like the "he should've also seen TSR doctoring" argument it can easily be dismissed as him not being 100% literal (possibly in fear of breaking some "don't quote PMs from the mod" rule?). Together they seem a bit suspicious, though.

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Claiming town-sided ascetic as scum is actually really clever, means no one wil try and investigate you.

Nice catch. This is totally something I could see 1337ness doing.

The only thing I want to add at this point is that Melex's short messages and general lurk-ish behaviour could be read as scummy. Manlove has been pretty much the opposite, being very involved and going into detail with his messages in situations where doing so would be taking unnecessary risks as scum. Now, Melex could just be non-verbose town and Manlove could be scum trying to blend in, so all of this doesn't have to mean anything.
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PostSubject: Re: Mafia 2016   Tue Mar 15, 2016 7:55 am

Okay deadline's down to 30 hours.

Melex respond to Atlas's accusations towards you, if you don't we have to assume you're scum and kill you.
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PostSubject: Re: Mafia 2016   Tue Mar 15, 2016 8:08 am

Prodding Melexiious and Manlove

You know where the countdown is. Not much time. Etc.
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PostSubject: Re: Mafia 2016   Tue Mar 15, 2016 11:58 am

I lost the second I fucked up my fake-claim.

VOTE: MELEXIIOUS

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PostSubject: Re: Mafia 2016   Tue Mar 15, 2016 12:36 pm

Vote Count 4.2

Melexiious (2) - Captain Manlove, Melexiious L-1!!

Not Voting: Cracked Atlas, Iced_Tea, Tunnel Snakes Rule

With 5 alive it takes 3 to lynch!

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PostSubject: Re: Mafia 2016   Tue Mar 15, 2016 6:19 pm

It's okay dude, I still love you.

VOTE: Melexiious

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PostSubject: Re: Mafia 2016   Tue Mar 15, 2016 6:38 pm

Yup, he just confessed.

Not that my vote still counts, but eh I like posting pink stuff:

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